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As it happens, I knew Baron previously and although we weren’t best friends or anything, I think I know him pretty well.
I have been looking at a lot of stuff posted about Baron A Neil lately, most of it bad.
Obviously there are a lot of really pissed off people out there.
I guess this isn’t going to be a super popular thing to say but I want to set some things straight about him, and the business he was running.
First off I guess it’s fair to ask how I know so much about him.
I got involved with B.I.M. (Business In Motion) the business he was running at the time.
A friend of my wife’s introduced me to it and I went to an introduction. I remember sitting in a big room full of loud cheering people, and I found that kind of annoying because that is basically the opposite in my personality. They were all really kind of over the top and I am pretty quiet and I’m really not a cheering type of guy.
After a few minutes every body finally settled down and a woman named Charlene who we had been introduced to earlier came up to the front of the room and gave an introduction. She was really enthusiastic and, again, I was kind of put off by the whole thing.
I really only stayed in my seat for two reasons: one, it would have been really rude to get up and walk out at that point and two, because we had been brought there by my wife’s friend and she trusted him and I trusted her. So I kept my mouth shut and sat there waiting for something to impress me.
Finally Charlene finished and Baron came out and started talking about the business and how it all worked. He was even more excited then Charlene was. Normally that would probably have been the last straw for me, but there was something kind of fun about Baron, he was a bit over the top, but he was kind of likeable too.
He launched into his talk which featured a lot of comparisons to a Mercedes Convertible’s that he seemed to kind of be in love with, and didn’t really have anything to do with the stuff he was selling, but he was funny and I kind of liked the way he was talking.
The information was pretty complicated but I felt like I got most of it. It was pretty unorthodox, but it all added up and I could see where the money was coming from and going to.
After the meeting was over a lot of the people were going out for a bite to eat and we went along (my wife is the sociable one in the family). So we ate some dinner and talked to everyone including Baron who turned out to be a really nice guy.
Now this is where I’m going to start getting into the meat of what I have to say.
I want to give you some examples of the good side of Baron, the stuff the haters seem so eager to forget.
Don’t get me wrong Baron is a long way from perfect, he has done some stuff in the past and I am aware of that too. But that’s not what I am talking about here and I don’t actually see how it would be relevant.
Here is an example of the side of him that no one wants to talk about: After we had finished dinner several of us left the restaurant together and we walked back to the parking lot. It was autumn as I recall and there was a light rain. One of the guys who was leaving with us came back to find that someone had busted into his car and thrown a lot of his stuff around. There were papers everywhere, blowing around in the breeze.
We all stopped to help him get his papers back before they got soaked by the rain. But the point I want to make here is that Baron did too.
Baron was a wealthy man at that time, Maybe he still is, I have no idea, but here he was, head of the whole operation, multi-millionaire, meetings to get to the next morning, no one would have said a word if he just got into his car and drove away. But he didn’t. He got down on his knees, in a three piece suit, and helped gather up that guys papers in the rain.
That’s not one of the things I read about in all the mudslinging I see about him.
You can believe me or not, I can’t prove it, I didn’t make a video of it happening, but I was there and I saw him do it, without anybody asking him to, just because that guy needed help and Baron wanted to offer his support. I saw that with my own eyes, take it or leave it.
I was impressed by what he did and I was curious about the whole business he had going and I was kind of excited about the possibility of making a boat load of money too. So I went to another one of the meetings. Time passed and I liked what I saw and my wife and I bought into the company.
Now a lot of what I am reading, actually all of it really, is more or less a big collection of rants about how they got ripped off by Baron and the whole thing collapsed and it was all just a big scam and he is pretty much evil incarnate. And that is partly true.
It did all collapse. (The rest of it is not really true, it’s just the opinions of some very angry people) and I’m going to get to that in a minute, but first I want to tell you some things that I personally saw happen. These are not things that I heard about, not things that someone else told me, no friend of a friend stories. These are all things that I was in the room when they happened and I saw it unfold in front of me.
I get it that a lot of people lost a lot of, money. I understand that. I lost a lot of money too, I mean while I got good product value, I didn’t make all my money back. And just to be clear, I am not a rich man, and at that time I definitely could not afford to lose that money.
So why are they so mad and I’m not? I guess some of you are going to say that I am getting paid huge sums of money to tell a lot of lies here, and if that’s what you want to believe, what could I possibly say that would change your mind?
It would be like trying to argue with people who want to believe that the earth is flat.
If that is what you want to believe then there is no amount of evidence to the contrary that will ever convince you to change your mind.
But if you are willing to listen to different points of view, then I want to offer one.
The reason I’m not mad because I watched the whole thing go down, from the inside.
I know exactly what happened, I was there. I’m not angry with Baron because I know that it just wasn’t his fault. Again, I want to stress that I lost money too. But that doesn’t mean that I can just lash out at the nearest scape goat and pretend that I was duped and that I am a big victim. I’m not, and neither are those other people.
In my opinion, they just don’t want to accept responsibility for the choices they made. It is always easier to blame someone else then to have to say that you screwed up and it was actually you who created the mess. It’s like a divorced person who says it was 100% the other persons fault and 0% their fault.
If they had lost a lot of money in the stock market they would probably want to blame their stock broker instead of just accepting that there is no such thing as an absolutely guaranteed investment or completely safe way to get rich.
Think about it. If there was, we would all be rich by now.
A lot of people have compared it to super high pressure time share sales events. Lets put that to bed right now. There was a lot of excitement and people were talking loudly and everything was pretty upbeat, that is definitely true.
Was anybody being pressured to do anything they didn’t want to do? No. I don’t know how to be any more plain then that, the answer is just no. If you didn’t like it you were free to get up and walk out. I saw a lot of people do just that.
As for the idea that it was a big boiler room full of high pressure sales like some out take from “Tin Men”.
I can say this: I became one of the presenters. You know what my training was? I asked if I could help do the presentation and they said ‘sure’. That was it.
How is that for special training about never letting the prospects off the hook and constantly keeping the pressure up?
And as for the “profit at any expense” argument, let me tell you about the first time I did a presentation. I was BAD. I mean really, really bad. I stuttered and stumbled and probably turned blue. They let me try for a while and after what felt like about six hours someone rescued me and I sat down again and tried to hide my head.
After it was over and everyone had left one of the presenters got a bottle from somewhere and they poured me a drink and we all sat around and had a laugh about it. And after that terrible attempt, and I want to stress that it was bad, they let me try again.
Because they were just really nice people who were willing to let me have another chance, even if it was costing them sales, and I’m sure I was.
So, let’s please just put the high pressure hard core sales thing to bed. It just is not true.
Not at any presentation I went to anyway.
I kept trying and they kept letting me try and after a while I became pretty good at doing the presentations. I did a lot of them. That’s how I know what they were like. The presentation was designed to set participants up to want to be part of the business. Of course it was.
It was a business and we needed people to spend money there. Does that make it a conflict of interest? Yes, probably. Did we tell you at the introductions all about the people who had signed up and then found out that it wasn’t really a thing they wanted to do and they lost money? No.
But before you get all high handed about that, let me ask you one question: Can you name me one single major corporation in the world that lists its massive failures in its ads?
Go ahead, try and think of one. Just one.
When was the last time Toyota put out an ad saying that, yes there were some manufacturing defects and sometimes the brakes didn’t work and yes, some people had died as a result of that, people who might have just gone home to their families that night if they had been driving a Ford instead?
The answer is never. Of course they would never do that. Because that’s not the way capitalism works.
How about a corporation that is more than a couple of years old and has never had a major failure. Can you think of one of those?
Neither can I.
Companies don’t go out of their way to tell potential customers why they should do business with someone else instead. And neither did we
If you have a problem with that, I can only suggest that you have a problem with capitalism, and I respect that. That’s fine. I won’t even argue with you about it. The world is full of opinions. I am only here to tell you mine, and let’s be clear, that’s all this is, my opinion.
The difference is, mine is informed, I was there. I’m not part of it anymore and I have no reason to lie. It’s not like they are going to fire me if I don’t say nice things.
I will tell you another thing I saw. I was out of town with the crew, they had a small group of men and women who travelled around on this giant bus from city to city and made presentations. Anyway I was back stage with the crew and I was in the room with Baron as he was going over the math that the company operated on. I watched him adding it up and shaking his head and saying ‘People are going to make a lot of money off of this! People are going to get rich.” As I was watching him I thought to myself, you know, most business people would look at those numbers and say 'there is a lot of money here, I could reduce the amount people make with each sale and I would make a lot more money then I am now, and they would still be making a lot anyway.”
But that’s not the way Baron approached it. He looked at it, and got really excited that other people were going to get rich. Again, I want to stress this, I saw that happen.
Now I know there will be people who will think that he was just saying that for my benefit.
But there are two things wrong with that, first, I don’t think he knew I was even there. And second, why would he bother? There was nothing for him to gain. I had absolutely nothing to offer him that he couldn’t easily get from someone else if I left. So why bother to put on a show for me? It just doesn’t make sense.
I’m not trying to say that Baron is perfect. He definitely is not. Neither am I, neither are you.
He can be annoying sometimes. He isn’t always the best listener. To be frank he like to talk more then he likes to listen to anyone else. He has a big ego. He gets angry if you tell him he is wrong about something. But then, that’s true about me too.
It takes a particular kind of personality to start a giant operation from zero and then keep it going. I don’t think I have the kind of obsessive personality that it takes. Baron has that kind of personality. So did Steve Jobs and lets face it, Steve Jobs was a famously unpleasant person. He was a total jerk who was really really good at business.
In my world being a good person comes from a desire to avoid doing anyone harm if there is some way to avoid it. I never saw Baron wish anyone else harm, even when they turned on him. I’ve seen him get angry about things that are happening, he isn’t a saint, but just “down to the bones bad”? No way.
He drinks. Sometimes he drinks too many of his “Rum flavoured Cokes” and that is a good way to judge his character too. My father taught me that you don’t really ever know someone till you’ve seen them drunk. Well I have seen him drunk and I still stand by what I said here. I have seen nice men who were so funny they could make a statue laugh, turn into mean hearted sons of bitches when they had a few drinks in them. Baron wasn’t like that.
When you were on the bus they had an initiation. Can you guess what it was? Do something rude or embarrassing, sell a certain volume in a day? Take candy from a baby?
I had do a karaoke piece. (if you’re wondering it was “She Loves You” by the Beatles.). Now I admit that while that was pretty harrowing, it does give you an idea of the personalities of those people.
I will tell you another thing that I personally saw. We were at a presentation, I don’t remember what city it was, I think it was Vancouver, but I’m not sure, and there was a display of gem stones, emeralds of all shapes and sizes. They were worth a fortune. Any rational person would have had a guard, but not Baron, and someone stole a really big emerald, worth tens of thousands of dollars.
He certainly wasn’t okay with that, he was really upset. But he didn’t have a tantrum he didn’t start throwing thing and cursing, he didn’t even call the police (as I recall, I don’t think he did, but I might be wrong about that), besides Baron was buying at wholesale. He just got upset and accepted that it had happened and packed up and got ready for the next day.
About the big crash. I promised you a while ago that I would get to that, so here it is.
The company operated like Amway or Mary Kay. The same principle of getting a percentage of the sales made by all the people under you.
The only really big difference was the amount of money you could realistically make. I met a woman who bought herself a Porsche from that work at BiM, I met another woman who when her first really big cheque came in, she took all the money out of the bank, spread it out on her bed and rolled around in it.
When the company started to fail it was because of this:
Baron and his team were constantly on the lookout for new better more interesting products to sell. After they had been operating for a while they got involved with a product that looked like a ball point pen, I don’t understand how it worked but you just stirred the pen in a glass of water and it would somehow chemically charge the water with whatever that particular pen was designed to do, one was for pain control, one was for digestion etc. People loved them and they rapidly became almost the only thing that anyone wanted to buy. They were not cheap, I don’t remember the cost, but they were expensive.
A lot of money was going through the company and everyone involved was making a lot of money, including the guy who had invented the “pens” (they were not actually pens; they just kind of looked like a pen).
Any way, after a while the guy who was selling them to Baron got greedy and decided that he didn’t want to do business with Baron anymore.
I know what happened there, but I was not literally in the room when it happened and I promised that I would only talk about things that I actually saw with my own eyes so I won’t go into it.
Suffice to say that it was not because Baron did anything illegal or unethical.
When the pens were suddenly not available anymore a lot of rumours started to spreads about all sorts of things and it turned into a sort of panic.
It reminded me of the great depression.
If you don’t know about that, it started because there was a mass panic that the stock market was going to crash. Everybody was terrified that they were going to lose all the money they had put into stock market investments and they all tried to sell their stocks, all at once. That meant there were a lot of sellers but no buyers and that meant that the value of the stocks went to basically zero.
People panicked and tried to take all their money out of the banks too, it was a chain reaction and it crushed the economy of the entire United States for many years.
The point is the people who had investments in the market, caused the crash that destroyed them. They really destroyed themselves.
When everybody in the company started listening to the rumours, they started to panic. When they started to panic they stopped buying
thing and they stopped bringing in new people who were going to buy new things.
What happened next was exactly the same thing that happens to any company, anywhere, when no one wants to buy the products they are selling.
They went under.
And a lot of people lost money
There is one thing I want to make totally clear at this point:
I ran some of the introductions and I can tell you for a fact that the way the company worked was explained in detail to anyone who wanted to join. There was absolutely no deception.
No one was ever told that somehow they were going to just get money for nothing. It was bit complicated, that’s true, and sometimes we had to go over it with someone a few times before they got it. But no one was ever told that they should just sign, no one was ever told that we didn’t have time to explain it to them. Sometimes we told someone that we were out of time and asked them to come back tomorrow and we would go over it with them again then, but that is as close as we ever got to that.
That’s why I get so pissed off with the haters who want to throw mud around with this story. They knew exactly what they were buying and they knew exactly how it worked and it was their own fault that the company came down.
That might sound harsh, but it is the truth. I was there and that is what I saw happen. And I was on the inside.
And let’s be clear here, I lost money too. And it hurt.
But I am an adult and I knew exactly what I was getting into, and no one twisted my arm to make me do it.
In my opinion, and that’s all this is, it’s time for the trolls to put down the keypad and get over it.
You knew what you were doing and you knew the risk. And you knew what would happen if nobody bought the products. You knew commissions would only be paid on the sales of products.
You made choices.
All of that is in the past! It doesn’t exist anymore, except as a fixated idea in your mind.
Please, get over it and start living your life in the present again.
I have one last thing to say.
Before you all start trolling me for saying things you don’t like, ask yourself this: Do you really want to live in a world where people get hated on just because they said something that someone else disagrees with?
Is that how you want to be treated when someone disagrees with you?
I guess some of you are going to start to huff and puff and tell me all about how tough you are and how you will take all comers, and how you are not afraid etc.
But remember, I didn’t ask if you could handle it, I asked if that’s what you want.
Because, if you do want that kind of anger directed at you, I think you should seek psychiatric help.
Andrew & Pauline,